Judgement vs Correction
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What’s the difference between judgement and correction? Does God have a different response for unbelievers and for believers? Today, the WagzTail team tackles a question that’s been on Wolfin’s mind for a few days.
In other news, the WagzTail podcast turns 50 today! Hooray for us.
[spoiler title=”Metadata and Credits” open=”0″ style=”1″]WagzTail Podcast 2.0 Episode 50
Runtime: 30m
Cast: Crimson X, Direlda, Levi, Wolfin
Editor: Wolfin
Format: 128kbps ABR split-stereo MP3
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Very informative episode. Never really thought about the difference between the two. But now, hearing your explanations, it makes good sense. Very well thought out and presented.
And by the way, Congratulations on making to the 50th episode!
Hey guys, its Kelbalrai1990 from FA, manager of Muslim furs I finally got off my lazy tail and started watching the podcast again and with this topic I can relate from both sides of the arguement since Muslims had the same problem, what’s the difference between judging and correcting? Because in the Quran there’s a verse that says to enjoin good and forbid evil, now that verse is pretty ambigious but interpreted in a number of ways, one extreme is for example when the puritanical Taliban in Afghanistan banned practically anything fun(like music,art etc), as part of of enjoining good and forbidding evil, the big pitfall of this is that people often enjoin what they think is good and forbid what they think is evil(depending on their interpretation), but besides that extreme case another extreme example was in Britain in the 17th century after the civil war when the Puritanical roundheads won, Cromwell who took over banned also anything that is fun like theatres,pubs and sports(people caught playing were whipped), banned makeup as well(and women were supposed to dress a certain way), to the Puritans they were guiding the people based on their interpretation of the Bible, so from seeing an Authoritarian view of judging I reject because it can lead to things like this, so there’s always a need for a healthy middle way. From experience I learned simply not to judge people as the Bible says Jesus said don’t judge and you won’t be judged, the policy I take on my own group is really make it a safe space for all, I don’t really kick anyone out unless they are harassing others, cause I think judging others kinda is bordering playing God, I often think why go after people when they are sinning differently than you? So really I only talk about things that are beyond a doubt wrong, no matter what interpretation you take and that list is actually quite small(from the Quran I can count maybe 20 or so, though hardly 3% of the Quran is devine commands and prohibitions), I think its good to give advice on something, but I think if there’s a possibility something may be interpreted in a different way, than I think you should best leave it to their own conscious to me whatever that is not prohibited explicitly is usually something you can debate, if the Bible doesn’t explicitly forbid something I would think okay scientifically or logically is there any harm in it? If not I would think its best up to an individual’s conscious, if really the person is not causing harm on anyone whatever they do at home is best between them and God, I would think judging them would actually pull them away rather than pull them in(I experienced this first hand in my own faith), so yeah those are my thoughts when it comes to judging and correcting. So I tend to take a more say Libertarian view on this subject.
Sami, thank you for your response! I know I said it would be approved by the end of the day today, and I am determined to keep that promise even though it’s later than originally anticipated. One minor complaint, if I may: learn the art of paragraphs! It would make your thoughts much easier to read.
Some of what you said, I was hoping came across in the show. We hold that it is permissible to judge another’s actions, and in fact there’s no avoiding it in day-to-day life. Some things are clearly wrong, and others are clearly right. However, it is far more uncertain and dangerous to go from appropriateness of actions to the state of one’s soul, simply because actions done with either good or evil intent can appear similar on the surface. For example, giving alms is a good thing, but if almsgiving is done merely as a ritual experience or to gain favor with others, then it becomes bad, because it is done with selfish motives.
I’d be curious to know what you think of that approach. Even though we both identify as libertarian, I think I am the more ready and willing one to make judgement calls about appropriateness, so we might be speaking from too-different perspectives here.